Monday plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:03:04] Hi, this is Lorenzo from the RIPE NCC plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:03:09] --- susannah has left: Logged out plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:03:25] I will be monitoring this channel during the session plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:03:42] --- cerezojp@jabber.ripe.net has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:04:00] --- cerezojp@jabber.ripe.net has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:04:01] if anyone has a question or comment for the speakers, I will read it out plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:04:20] --- juampe has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:05:13] just post it here and I will ask it at the end of the presentation plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:06:26] --- susannah has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:06:51] --- webmaster-ncc has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:08:40] --- evilmark has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:09:05] --- evilmark has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:09:17] --- caz has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:10:11] --- rumy has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:11:04] --- Chris has left: Logged out plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:11:20] --- rhe has left: Logged out plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:11:31] --- susannah has left: Replaced by new connection plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:11:58] --- susannah has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:12:17] --- rhe has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:14:34] --- Niels has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:20:01] --- susannah has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:22:02] * Caz has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:22:45] * mehmet has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:25:16] --- geoff has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:27:11] --- rumy has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:27:15] --- susannah has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:28:15] --- rumy has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:30:48] * erik has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:30:48] --- webmaster-ncc has left: Replaced by new connection plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:31:50] --- Tubbydammer has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:35:03] --- webmaster-ncc has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:36:12] * johnl has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:36:12] * will has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:39:06] * mehmet quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:39:33] (brett) is this presentation on the website somewhere? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:39:35] does this Mike O'Dell not have a telephone where the IAB could call him on to discuss what his ideas were back in '97-98? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:40:20] * nick has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:40:58] (mt6561) yeah, I think it is better to display presenation slides more time than now plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:41:12] --- arno has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:41:51] (Lorenzo, no need to ask my question! sit down!) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:42:41] Is there a lower-bandwidth stream available? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[13:52:20] * mike_5459 has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:08:49] --- r_patara has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:08:53] * wtremmel has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:09:08] * nickname changed from wtremmel to wtremmel-decix plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:12:51] comment to Kurtis about shim6: In an attempt to avoid the nanog-confision he said the shim is pr stream. It isn't: the shim6 context is pr host-pair (ULID-pair to use the correct terminology). When discussing protocol overhead for systems e.g. handling many tcp-sessions for the same client (e.g. webservers) this makes a huge difference. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:20:03] --- catherine has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:20:40] * Md has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:20:49] --- catherine has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:21:07] * ivan_bev has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:21:34] general comment: shim6 is just one technology, not a complete solution. Traffic-engineering and other products will need changes to support it, before it can be an alternative to what we've got. Don't dismiss experimental technology just because it's something different. In this fora howewer; forget it for now. It's only wapor-ware. Systems and routers won't run wapor-ware;) Hence, current operational policies can't be based on shim6 in any form. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:24:34] --- catherine has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:24:47] --- narten has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:25:39] * becha has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:27:28] --- alexlh@jabber.ripe.net has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:29:32] --- wolverard has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:30:18] --- alexlh@jabber.ripe.net has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:30:19] * webmaster-ncc waves to becha plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:31:30] --- jaap has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:31:54] --- alexlh@jabber.ripe.net has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:33:21] --- becha-ripe-mtg has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:33:54] (coffee break until 4PM) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:33:56] --- alexlh@jabber.ripe.net has left: Logged out plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:34:57] --- susannah has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:35:23] (nick) to add to dave's comment about support costs increasing, ipvshim6 implementation will also increase ipv6 stack complexity plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:35:40] --- catherine has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:35:52] --- geoff has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:35:57] (nick) this is a problematic issue plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:36:03] * prt has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:36:32] * tmind has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:36:42] * mt6561 quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:37:03] --- fabrice has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:37:50] --- jaap has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:50:41] * mt6561 has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:58:08] --- caz has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:58:09] * Caz quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[14:58:46] --- caz has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:00:30] Hi All - my name is Caz Merrison from the RIPE NCC plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:00:49] hi, new test - to send you a private message plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:00:56] I'll be monitoring Jabber / IRC and putting your questions to the mic plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:01:18] uups, didn't work ;-] plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:01:34] (mt6561) what's going on with webcast.ripe.net? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:01:46] please could you state your name before your comment or question for me? Thanks plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:02:51] (mt6561) my name is Max Tulyev plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:06:27] has the session started yet? (I'm having trouble getting the web feed to start...) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:06:40] just about to plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:07:06] OK, seems to be working now... plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:08:00] The session's just started up again plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:11:13] --- fabrice has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:11:13] --- juampe has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:12:20] --- arno has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:13:26] --- arno has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:18:13] --- juampe has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:20:16] --- susannah has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:21:59] --- caz has left: Replaced by new connection plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:23:05] --- caz has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:25:34] I recognise the current slide a bit, yes plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:25:52] (not from work experience, really, but more as an end user / sysadmin) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:25:52] Last slide is up - does anyone have any questions for Gert? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:26:34] (nick) why on earth does he persist in using djbware? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:26:40] (nick) (just joking) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:26:44] (nick) (at least mostly) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:26:47] phew! plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:27:53] question for gert: plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:29:39] how do you feel about the current situation on v6 transit availability? and the internet exchange bit... do you think the current status at internet exchanges is ok, or should be better? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:29:45] can I ask your name? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:29:58] sure. carlos friacas, FCCN (portuguese NREN) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:30:34] ok forget it... plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:30:54] i already see jordi... plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:30:59] --- jaap has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:31:29] --- geoff has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:31:56] what i meant was: should we see more people (ASN) already peering at internet exchanges? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:31:59] --- susannah has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:32:08] the question was not about internet exchange support plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:32:50] --- dmm has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:33:09] (ivan_bev) can we knock down the master volume a little - this speaker is rather loud plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:33:12] * BrianN has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:33:31] agreed (for remote feed) a bit of overload in recording. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:33:32] (nick) maybe just turn down the bass plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:33:47] (nick) and the artefact noise plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:34:05] Carlos: Doesn't that come back to customer demand? The IXPs are ready, so the ISPs will start peering when they have customers that want IPv6... plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:34:36] yes, it goes back to that plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:34:40] * colin has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:35:00] (marcoh) why, if we are handing out /32 anyawy, can't theyy simply become an LIR ? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:35:11] EUR 1000/year plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:35:15] (nick) this /32 PI stuff is for the birds plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:35:33] the problem is when the 1st/2nd customer is connecting, if at that moment the peering is there or not... plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:35:35] (marcoh) Niels: somebody has to pay plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:35:49] the effect is a worse path for IPv6 when compared to IPv4 plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:36:34] niels/marcoh : yep. "money" is the key word. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:36:48] please explain "for the birds"? not familiar with that expression plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:36:50] --- susannah has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:37:10] (nick) "silly" plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:37:19] (nick) "very very silly" plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:37:36] * Djinh has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:37:39] --- susannah has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:37:44] (nick) let me explain. most organisations requiring PI space are too small to justify becoming an LIR plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:37:52] (ivan_bev) NCC people - volume is still rather loud (in the room), and people's ears are starting to bleed :| plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:38:03] (mt6561) why I need to become a LIR if I just want address space and nothing more? I don't think to be domain registrar for register my only one domain, isn't it? but I agree to pay some money for that plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:38:03] --- susannah has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:38:08] (nick) => why are we hardwiring the default PI size to /32?? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:38:18] (marcoh) cfriacas: so if I as a LIR handsout the PI space, I will have to pay for it. So the customer is likely to get a bill of whatever I pay + 100% as I need to make profit plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:38:30] (marcoh) so for them, becoming an LIR will probably be cheaper plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:38:34] --- dmm has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:38:50] (evilmark) which is why an LIR serves >1 customer plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:38:54] (evilmark) to make it economical :S plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:39:03] (marcoh) or are there people who will work for free, in that case `i want to hire a couple plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:39:03] (marcoh) ] plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:39:19] (mt6561) if you registered for example 10 /32's, you will NOT pay as if you are 10 LIRs ;) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:39:47] (marcoh) evilmark: I think the billing algorithym already counts pretty hard when you start doping PI plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:39:56] Jordi has finished presenting - does anyone have any questions for him? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:40:13] (evilmark) once you hit large, it doesn't get any worse plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:40:15] (marcoh) one of the few resources you can easily related the actual cost to a customer plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:40:24] (mt6561) but I can't allocate/assign /32 for my clients - there is "become LIR" rule plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:40:48] * becha quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:40:49] i said money was the issue, i didnt say i agree with the proposal :-) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:40:54] (marcoh) that's why I feel for Pekka's earlier proposal to make it 5000 USD/year and give that to ISC plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:41:21] do you know how much address space a /48 already is? if you're in the market for a /32 you are an LIR almost by definition plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:41:56] (mt6561) just let LIRs give the v6 space to non-LIRs, as v4. billing schema already exists, and it is not bad, I think plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:42:03] (evilmark) i agree plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:42:32] (nick) info point: /32 is 2^32 /64's plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:43:07] (mt6561) so, THE QUESTION to speaker: Why now there is a rule: 1 LIR - 1 v6 block? opposite to v4 plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:43:14] (evilmark) the cost to ripe of a single allocation of anything is pretty much the same though, so why v6 different from v4 plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:43:20] (marcoh) mt6561: 'give' in the sense of PA or PI ? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:43:37] (mt6561) PA plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:43:37] that question is from Max - right? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:43:43] (mt6561) yes plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:44:48] (marcoh) mt6561: because yo plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:45:03] (marcoh) u have to be fucking big to not have enough for /32 plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:45:37] (mt6561) I get /32 and assign it to my client plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:45:58] (mt6561) so, it will be kind like PI, yes plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:46:19] (marcoh) no, you get a /32 and assign /48 to a customer plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:46:31] (nick) if youre a lir plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:46:41] (mt6561) assume the client is NOT getting connectivity from me ang have own channels plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:46:49] (nick) if it's just pi space, you cannot sub-assign plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:46:53] (marcoh) then become an LIR plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:47:26] if your /32 is full, get another one, why can't you? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:47:30] (marcoh) I really don't see the point, if you are building your network, why not become an LIR plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:48:20] (evilmark) because ripe doesnt want or need as many members as there are networks in europe plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:48:33] (marcoh) let'splease weed-out all the 'treasure seakers' who get themself some huge PI block, polluting the routing table and even worse., disappearing withing a year and never return the addresses plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:48:46] (nick) => charge for PI space plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:48:49] (nick) including v4 space plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:48:59] The floor is open for general discussion about multihoming and IPv6...does any one have any questions? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:48:59] (marcoh) nick: agree plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:49:00] (nick) you don't pay, you don't get the right to use plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:49:33] (marcoh) but let's assume somebody doesn't pay his yearly bill, how fdo you stop them from announcing that block plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:49:36] (marcoh) ?? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:49:48] (nick) remove dns plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:49:53] (evilmark) hah plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:49:57] (nick) mark as returned to LIR plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:50:00] (marcoh) now that will stop people (NOT) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:50:05] (mt6561) I am feel fre even to remove that object from db plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:50:05] (nick) publish as bogon plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:50:35] (marcoh) might be an option, but you need an authorative source for bogon's then (pgp-signed) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:50:40] (nick) sure plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:50:41] (mt6561) most people do NOT need eny registration service, just address space plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:51:00] that is almost the same! plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:51:08] (Djinh) address space == registration service plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:51:12] they need *globally unique* address space, and that is what the NCC does: guarantee that plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:51:15] (mt6561) so why do not give it to them? why they need to pay for extra (registration) service? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:51:32] (marcoh) but still wether PI or PA, somebody has to do something to make the assignment and as such somebody has to pay plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:51:33] are you trolling or something? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:53:37] --- irc has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:53:38] --- irc has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:54:19] (Djinh) mt6561, to assign globally unique addresses, you need some kind of registration service that registers that those addresses are in use. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:54:46] (Djinh) you can't have one without the other plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:55:12] it's also what NCC stands for plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:56:11] (mt6561) Djinh yes. but look what we have in practice. Russian RIPN (ROSNIIRoS) have /16 plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:56:41] (mt6561) and it assigns /18-/19 for ISPs that do NOT need any registration services, only IP plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:56:42] (marcoh) and your point ? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:56:57] (mt6561) yep l( plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:56:59] (mt6561) :) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:57:09] (marcoh) how can you 'not need registration service' ? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:57:10] (Djinh) my point is that having IP space is the same as having that space registered by the registration service plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:57:55] (Djinh) in this case RIPN is a Local Internet Registry which locally registers the IP space that the Regional Internet Registry registers regionally. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:58:00] (mt6561) As I can understand - 'registration service' is an ability to get unique space from RIPE plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:58:36] (marcoh) no 'registration' is to make sure you actually are the legitimate user of globally uniq resources plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:58:38] I'd define registration service as an ongoing service, because it imlies the continuing availability of a public register plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:58:51] (Djinh) in the RIR/LIR system, the RIR (RIPE NCC) allocates space to LIRs who then further assign and register it locally plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[15:59:21] (marcoh) tubby: so, once again, I do feel for `pekka's 'pay per year' proposal, but maintaining it in the sense of non-payment is an issue plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:00:43] I think that in that context, the certification issue will make interesting discussion later this week plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:02:18] (evilmark) hi plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:02:22] (evilmark) oops plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:03:34] (mt6561) Djinh certainly! and now ipv4 is distributed so plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:03:52] (mt6561) Djinh but for v6 there is a rule: 1 LIR - 1 /32 :( plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:05:06] of course not plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:05:22] /19's have been handed out, for example plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:05:49] see e.g. the allocation within 2002:: that has gone to Deutsche Telekom plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:07:04] --- Md has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:07:16] (Djinh) mt6561, there is the rule that 1 LIR gets 1 allocation, yes. A /32 per default, larger if required and justified. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:07:26] (mt6561) Niels: hm. what about RIPE rule that to get v6 I have to be a LIR? So as I can understand, if I'm not LIR (but not end-user, ISP for example), I can't get more than /48 (and say bye-bye to multihoming) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:08:04] (Djinh) mt6561, this is precisely the policy which is under rather a lot of discussion at the moment. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:08:15] (will) How does that differ from the v4 situation? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:08:18] (Djinh) in all regions, not just the RIPE region plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:08:25] --- susannah has left: Lost connection plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:08:55] (mt6561) in v4, as non-lir, I can get even /19 and make announces with my AS. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:09:34] (mt6561) in fact, in ipv6 I can be client of LIR providing me connectivity OR a multihomed LIR plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:10:26] * BuBo has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:10:37] (mt6561) so in v6 only LIRs can be multihomed plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:11:01] you are specifying the reason behind shim6 efforts. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:11:49] (mt6561) is there shim6 "in the wild"? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:13:43] you missed rs's comment earlier where he noted that the whole shim6 discussion is conjecture until there is running code plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:13:53] apparently some university is working on an implementation... plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:14:31] * Md quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:14:31] --- Tubbydammer has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:14:36] --- wolverard has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:14:40] --- jaap has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-24.txt:[16:14:47] Session is over - thanks and see you all tomorrow Tuesday plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:08:59] Hi My name is Kate from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:09:27] --- geoff has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:09:39] * jhma has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:12:52] --- adrian has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:15:44] * jhma quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:19:42] --- jhma has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:35:17] --- cagri has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:35:43] --- adrian has left: Logged out plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:36:09] * johnl has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:36:16] --- adrian has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:37:27] --- webmaster-ncc has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:39:31] --- caz has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:40:08] good morning all plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:43:59] * brett has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:48:23] * johnl quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:49:48] pls do something about the sound so it is possible to hear what is being said on the webcast. A few kbit more for audio would be nice to reduce echo and distortion, but even more important is that at least one of the microphones in use us heavily distorted. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:50:34] Hi I will ask the tech team about it for you plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:51:17] They are looking into it now plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:52:11] reduce gain on the handheld mic as a minimum plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:52:39] we are looking to it plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:52:48] i will let you know plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:53:01] I'm hearing the distorted one now. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:53:12] (Djinh) morning plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:53:21] BTW,I don't know whether this is a problem everywhere in the room, but here in the back the air conditioning is sufficiently loud to make it difficult to hear quieter speakers. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:53:50] the mike Peter Koch is using is suffering from distortion. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:56:34] * JonO has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:56:55] well if we stop the air co the room will be very hot and if it is that we will have a lot of complain because of the tem p in the room plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[08:57:24] --- mansaxel@rfc.se has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:00:59] Hmm, so the fan has only one speed? :( plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:01:14] I admit I can hardly hear the speakers from down at the front either plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:01:54] I can hear the main spe4aker, but the mics around the room are very faint plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:03:17] we will ask Hotel if there is a different position and ask them to lower down .. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:03:24] i will let you know.. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:04:23] (evilmark) botherder is an excellent term plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:06:09] fan will be lower down by the hotel staff in a few minutes plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:06:20] * huoranen has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:06:31] I am sitting at the first row, and yes, the AC is irritating. The fact that the speakers are placed _behind_ me is quite distorting and makes intelligibility. poor. Also, there is no time compensation so one will hear 4 distinct sound sources garbling the speech. Sound systems are hard to do right! plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:07:00] yes! plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:07:09] \o/ plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:07:27] --- alexlh@jabber.ripe.net has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:07:33] --- alexlh@jabber.ripe.net has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:07:59] (thanks) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:09:34] --- webmaster-ncc has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:09:51] --- alexlh@jabber.ripe.net has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:10:24] --- McTim has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:12:02] --- arno has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:12:49] --- arno has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:21:29] --- arno has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:22:47] --- arno has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:29:07] * mt6561 has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:29:34] --- alexlh@jabber.ripe.net has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:29:35] * huoranen has left the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:29:39] --- juampe has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:30:27] * Oregon has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:36:09] --- adrian has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:37:08] --- McTim has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:37:09] --- weiler has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:37:10] This session has now ended, Thank you. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:39:04] --- geoff has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:46:34] * johnl has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:46:39] --- webmaster-ncc has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:52:47] --- Md has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:56:43] --- McTim has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[09:59:03] --- Tubbydammer has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:03:11] --- geoff has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:05:43] someone ask the presenter to whisper in the mic currently in use ;) Or ajdust input gain plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:07:02] done ;) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:09:33] slightly better. Can even decipher a few sentences now. Still nowhere near how the podium mic or the one on the floorstand sounds. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:09:37] --- susannah has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:09:37] (mt6561) quality of sound is really VERY bad :( plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:09:56] --- Tubbydammer has left: Replaced by new connection plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:09:56] --- Tubbydammer has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:11:44] (Djinh) it's rather terrible, yes plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:12:06] (Djinh) seems like there's too much gain somewhere... plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:13:15] we are looking at it now .. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:13:52] --- xav has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:14:04] Has anybody in charge of the webcast actually tried to watch/listen to it for any longer period of time? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:14:47] I think there is opportunity for inserting compressor/limiters on the feeds from the PA system to the transmission encoder. Are there separate feeds into it for the various microphones or is it a mix done in the PA mixer? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:15:10] the latter plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:15:23] * paule has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:15:37] ok. is it a separate AUX send? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:15:51] yeap plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:16:16] we will put a compressor after lunch to solve maybe the issue plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:16:17] can you reduce AUX output from the PA, or do you need hotel-staff to do that? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:16:30] ok, so the immediate problem should be easy to solve, but a leveling device would be very nice. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:17:35] Seems like a task for the next break, to be coordinated between RIPE and hotel staff. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:17:55] aux has been reduce a bit plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:18:16] --- shane has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:19:25] ballroom: well, now it's ok as long as the presenter is mumbling ;) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:19:57] --- Tubbydammer has left: Replaced by new connection plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:19:57] --- Tubbydammer has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:20:21] power failure on the transmission equipment, plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:20:31] apparently. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:20:48] (will) we can't hear him through the PA now plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:21:35] the PA system (or vital parts of it) had a power outage. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:22:25] Maybe it's possible to have one person coordinating the knobs on both PA and streaming equipment? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:22:53] They sit adjacent to each other, so yes, should be possible. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:23:56] --- McTim has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:25:03] * todd has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:25:09] --- ballroom has left: Replaced by new connection plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:25:14] --- ballroom has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:27:34] If they first make the PA sound loud and clear with no distortion, how hard is it to feed that signal an AUX at an appropriate level if there's a half-decent PA-mixer involved? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[10:38:07] --- LOGGING STARTED plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[13:35:26] --- adrian has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[13:37:06] --- pheldal has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[13:37:13] --- irc has become available 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from the RIPE NCC plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:07:36] I'm monitoring this session so if you have any questions, please let me know and I will read them out at the end of the presentations plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:07:37] * ivan_bev has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:08:09] (ivan_bev) The speaker on the far-right, mid-floor isn't working plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:08:19] you beat me by a second plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:08:24] --- kate has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:08:32] also the one at the back of the room plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:09:47] I think ruben will check this plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:14:05] (evilmark) can hardly hear plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:14:55] that's working back right now plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:15:42] gone again :( plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:18:38] --- Tubbydammer has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:18:48] working ok plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:18:55] thx plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:20:37] speaker is working at Rear now plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:21:06] heel goed plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:29:15] * marcoh has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:29:52] * Niels has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:31:09] stop fumblin' with the mics while they're turned on;) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:31:55] --- kate has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:32:54] --- rumy has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:33:49] * Niels has left the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:34:02] (Djinh) the stream sounds very distorted again plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:34:23] very distorted!! plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:34:33] Pls someone find the PA AUX output gain. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:36:55] * thinker has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:37:45] * mt6561 quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:41:33] sounds better now!! plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:42:39] (Djinh) yup, lots better plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:43:21] que zi plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:43:37] sorry ;-) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:43:46] fingers slipped ! plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[15:47:32] --- juampe has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[16:00:47] * johnl quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[16:03:42] --- Md has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[16:08:13] --- caz 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plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[16:29:34] * Aziraphale has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[16:31:04] --- lorenzo has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[16:31:09] --- becha-ripe-mtg has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[16:32:28] --- lorenzo has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[16:37:25] as an IXP operator I try to not put stuff in my contracts that I cannot enforce plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[16:44:01] * Nihe quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[16:45:39] --- becha-ripe-mtg has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[16:50:26] --- rhe has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[16:50:37] * brett quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-25.txt:[16:50:57] --- ballroom has left Wednesday plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:01:35] Hi My name is Kate from the RIPE NCC. I'll be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have any question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:02:48] --- jhma has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:03:30] --- geoff has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:09:07] --- adrian has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:09:24] --- adrian has left: Logged out plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:09:28] --- adrian has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:09:43] --- geoff has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:12:43] --- arno has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:16:16] * brett has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:17:22] --- caz has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:22:26] --- rhe has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:23:26] --- rumy has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:33:33] --- arno has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:37:08] --- weiler has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:42:00] --- arno has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:47:02] * lane has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:47:38] * lane quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:47:39] * lane has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[08:59:56] --- arno has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:01:02] --- arno has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:01:13] Any wireless mics in use? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:02:24] The meeting chair is using one plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:02:39] --- McTim has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:03:15] needs some mic diciplin. turn off when it isn't used etc. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:04:11] It's off now plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:04:24] also seems awfuly sensitive. on the brink of feedback at times, and at times generating echo and noice when others are talking plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:04:31] good plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:04:52] I will let the team know, thanks. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:06:20] Pheldal we are aware of the problem , but there is some issue here with the speaker and the monitor (speaker) and the wireless Mic. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:06:45] we are working all the time with the sound engineers to solve this issue, plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:07:01] we are trying not to have too much distortion on the sound. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:07:37] otherwise our apologizes for this issue. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:09:02] --- juampe has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:15:35] --- McTim has left: Replaced by new connection plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:15:38] --- McTim has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:22:01] --- webmaster-ncc has left: Replaced by new connection plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:24:38] * johnl has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:24:44] --- xav has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:27:40] * johnl quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:27:49] This session has now ended. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:28:34] --- xav has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:28:47] --- adrian has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[09:29:47] --- xav has become available 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plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:02:49] Air con is too lout again today. :( plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:04:42] s/lout/loud/ plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:05:01] * mt6561 has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:05:52] I'll see if I can get it turned down plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:06:41] --- caz has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:10:24] --- cfriacas has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:10:48] i have just ask and it should be done soon plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:13:00] the air co is off plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:13:27] Thanks! plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:13:39] yw plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:14:04] * lane has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:15:56] good morning plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:16:38] susannah: from yesterday's plenary, 14 presentations were listed and only 2 are currently available :-( plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:17:47] we had technical issue over here. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:17:52] it helps a lot having the content when trying to follow the sessions remotely... plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:18:05] I'll check with webmaster on the status plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:18:06] we will try to get the data asap in our website. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:18:16] thanks plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:23:41] * brett has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:42:54] cfriacas: you can view all the presentations in their original format at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-52/presentations/ plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:43:07] please click on the link at the top of the page plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:44:21] The final version of the presentations i.e. the ones that were actually presented will be uploaded to: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-52/presentations/ plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:44:28] as soon as possible after the session plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:44:33] --- webmaster-ncc has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:44:36] hope this helps plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:46:24] And, the direct link the the draft presentations is: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-52/presentations/uploads/ plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:57:23] --- xav has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[10:58:22] * lane has left the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[11:20:52] The speaker does not have any presentation. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[11:25:56] --- pk has become available 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has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[15:51:01] --- ballroom has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[15:51:49] --- fabrice has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[16:12:15] --- ferenc_c has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[16:12:17] --- ferenc_c has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-26.txt:[16:31:19] * brett quit IRC altogether Thursday plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[08:27:49] Good morning to everyone who has joined in the last 20 min. My name is Saskia from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during today's Plenary Session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for it at the end of his presentation. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[08:30:58] * Antoin has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[08:53:18] --- juampe has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:00:38] --- Tubbydammer has left: Replaced by new connection plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:00:39] --- Tubbydammer has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:02:24] * mt6561 has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:09:10] --- caz has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:10:33] --- vache-qui-rit has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:11:44] --- cfriacas has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:11:44] --- vache-qui-rit has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:11:50] hello... plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:11:52] question plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:12:26] does anybody remembered about matching the number of ipv6 allocations against the number os LIRs in each country? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:12:42] too late again? :-) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:13:28] i.e. uk has 700 LIRs, if there are 70 uk ipv6 allocations that is a mere 10% plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:13:43] * Antoin has left the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:14:09] if estonia, by any chance has 20 LIRs, if they have 10 ipv6 allocations that would mean 50% and a more significant "coverage" plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:14:27] Hi my name is Saskia i am monitoring this channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:14:34] (chose those 2 countries as an example, numbers are not accurate...) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:14:39] hi saskia plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:14:53] Do you want me to ask this question aloud, or does anyone here in the channel knows the answre.. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:14:57] leo was too quick in changing to the new presentation plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:15:10] well, in fact i know the answer... plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:15:17] but i would like leo's view :-) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:15:44] i did the homework... per country "coverage" varies from 2% to 30%... plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:15:59] which is REALLY not very encouraging :-( plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:16:00] Can you please let me know your full name plus organisation?\ plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:16:07] carlos friacas/FCCN plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:16:19] thanks plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:17:08] Woulkd you mind if I ask Leo afterwards? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:17:14] sure :-) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:17:31] I think the question is plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:17:32] Is there any match between the number of IPv6 allocations and the number os LIRs in each country? For example, the uk has 700 LIRs, if there are 70 uk ipv6 allocations that is just 10%, but if Estonia, by any chance has 20 LIRs, if they have 10 ipv6 allocations that would mean 50% and a more significant "coverage" plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:18:04] --- mansaxel@rfc.se has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:18:06] Maybe Saskia could ask Leo offline and get back to you, let us know your e-mail address plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:18:11] i can do it simpler... the question is about country coverage plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:18:34] Would offline be okay? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:18:44] yep plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:19:18] we always see the same graphs with X allocations to big country no1, Y allocations to big country no2 plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:19:55] however it would be interesting to watch at the ratio number of allocations/number of LIRs plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:20:13] that would mean watching at the country "coverage" plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:22:39] Hi, Leo here - are you looking for a graph showing the percentage of LIRs in a country with IPv6 allocs? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:22:47] That would be interesting plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:23:39] --- adrian has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:23:58] The current allocations/LIR ratio also indicate that v6 still is considered mostly experimental ;) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:27:10] pheldal: yep. that was my point! :-) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:27:13] which is highly relevant to the discussions about end-site v6 PI allocations plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:28:40] what i've done, is to process the LIR list with the v4 and v6 allocations, and i have some numbers (not that encouraging to v6 deployment...) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:29:46] uk = 8%, fr=16%, nl=19%, de=15% plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:29:48] ... plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:30:55] imho, ipv6 way forward is not distributing PIs texas-style plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:31:09] is increasing the "coverage" in each country plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:31:49] I'll see what we can do. Watch this presentation slot come RIPE 53 plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:31:55] --- Tubbydammer has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:32:31] Thank you all for attending. This session has now ended. Goodbye. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:32:41] --- Saskia has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:32:41] --- cfriacas has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:35:08] --- mansaxel@rfc.se has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:50:42] --- rumy has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[09:58:59] * brett has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[10:00:05] --- caz has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[10:03:45] * evilmark has left the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[10:08:50] --- Md has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[10:10:43] --- juampe has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[10:11:18] --- ferenc_c has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[10:12:57] --- fabrice has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[10:16:04] --- ferenc_c has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[10:18:08] * wtremmel-decix has left the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[10:35:48] * Niels quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[10:44:10] * Niels has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[10:45:33] * Niels has left the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[10:49:58] pls someone find a hammer and smash that wireless mic so it can't be used anymore ;) It hasn't produced anything of significant value to webcast listeners all week. When it is turned on it even destroys the sound from the other mics in use. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[12:24:01] --- Md has left: offline plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[13:00:58] * colin quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[13:01:03] --- fabrice has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[13:02:13] * colin has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[13:02:30] --- ballroom has left: Logged out plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[13:02:46] --- ballroom has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[13:12:40] * mt6561 quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[13:13:54] * todd has left the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[13:59:26] * Luke^BU has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[14:29:09] * Luke^BU quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[14:39:00] --- fabrice has left: Disconnected plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[14:58:07] --- adrian has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[14:58:40] --- adrian has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[15:11:46] --- fabrice has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[15:36:11] * Paul_E has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[15:52:58] --- fabrice has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[16:01:56] --- pheldal has left: Replaced by new connection plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[16:01:57] --- pheldal has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[16:57:35] * brett quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-27.txt:[16:58:39] --- ballroom has left Friday plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:02:05] Hi, I'm Rumy from the RIPE NCC and I will be monitoring this session. If you have any questions or comments, I can read them out for you. Please state your full name when you want me to ask something. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:02:19] --- susannah has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:03:34] --- susannah has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:03:39] * wtremmel1decix has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:03:48] * brett has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:03:51] * nickname changed from wtremmel1decix to wtremmel-decix plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:04:30] --- rhe has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:10:14] * cybes has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:10:23] (cybes) Hello plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:10:33] (cybes) Ooh rumy, you smell nice plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:10:39] Rrrrrrr plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:10:48] so do you plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:10:50] :) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:10:54] (cybes) rrrrrrrrrrrrrr plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:11:17] for those who just joined plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:11:22] YOU'RE LATE! plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:11:23] no plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:11:25] seriously plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:11:33] I will be monitoring this session. If you have any questions or comments, I can read them out for you. Please state your full name when you want me to ask something. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:11:43] * [rvs] has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:12:47] (cybes) Rumy, please make a comment - what cologn is Bharat wearing. he smells nice plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:13:00] (cybes) My full Name: Rumy Kanis plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:13:28] yeah rrrrright plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:13:31] you have legs plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:13:34] you can walk to the mike hon plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:18:30] * nick quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:18:36] --- arife has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:18:57] --- webmaster-ncc has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:20:26] --- ep has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:21:00] --- geoff has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:21:00] (cybes) nick has quit the server saying: Ping timeout: 181 seconds plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:21:04] (cybes) why did he say that? plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:21:48] (erik) because he took more than 181 seconds to respond with a PONG after a PING from the server :-) plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:23:32] (cybes) I feel like playing table tennis plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:25:38] --- arife has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:34:36] If anyone has any questions, I can read them out for you plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:35:07] (cybes) yes Rumy - please ask what cologn Bharat is wearing plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:35:11] (cybes) I think he smells nice plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:35:15] :D plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:37:50] * ^EP_ has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:39:03] * ^EP_ has left the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:41:03] --- juampe has become available plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:42:45] * master quit IRC altogether plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:43:18] --- mansaxel@rfc.se has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:47:48] --- webmaster-ncc has left plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:51:11] * evilmark has joined the channel. plenary@conference.ripe.net/2006-04-28.txt:[10:58:46] I am (still;-) monitoring this session. If you have any questions or comments, I can read them out for you. 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